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The American Taliban: Christian conservatives in their own words.

(But not Ann Coulter. At least, not until I get a chance to have wild brain-damaging monkey seXXX with her.)

The thing is...really, these people don't deserve shot--at least, not all of them--they deserve to be pitied. Their lives are so enwrapped with fear of even the slightest amount of change that they have shielded themselves behind walls of completely inflexible, impenetrable dogma in order to save themselves from suffering. It's really sad that there are people in the 21st Century who still think like this. It's all doubly sad, as well, because these people are so vocal, and so loud, that it's very tempting for folks like me to assume that all Christians are like them--which is patently false...and yet very, very hard to believe.

Date: 2005-06-07 12:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beeporama.livejournal.com
For every Ann Coulter or Pat Robertson making Christians look bad, there are three crazy Muslims, nutjob athiests, and/or self-involved Wiccans making the alternatives look just as ridiculous. Who can cast stones, to borrow a Christian metaphor? If only we could all respect each other's beliefs and stop giving the extremists of any stripe attention.

Oh, and: http://ifuckedanncoulterintheasshard.blogspot.com/

Date: 2005-06-07 03:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imightbegaye.livejournal.com
I think it's a lot more scary when people who supposedly represent the majority in your country start spouting bigotry and fascist idealism/nationalism than when it's being done by fringe groups. I don't have to worry about having my human rights taken away, or at least seriously compromised, by atheists or muslims, so it's harder to worry about anything said by those groups.

What I do legitimately worry about is reading the news in a few months and finding out that my religious, artistic, and sexual preferences have been made illegal. I'm sure if radical Muslims held power here, I'd be much more worried (to the point of actually leaving the country), but that's fairly irrelevant since they don't hold any sway over social policy.

As a political conservative, I'm appalled by the let's-federally-legislate-everyone's-personal-lives policies that are the backbone of the modern Republican party.

Date: 2005-06-07 03:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beeporama.livejournal.com
I don't think Coulter or Robertson or most of those folks represent the majority (as much as they'd like us to think otherwise); just a very vocal significant minority that has its shit together enough to vote. Dubya, of course, with his 51% majority, is another matter; but I like to think the turkeys who voted for him based solely on national defense are having regrets (based on slipping approval ratings).

Radical Muslims do, indirectly, hold some power here. If they ever succeed in, say, detonating a nuclear weapon on U.S. soil, you can kiss your civil liberties goodbye.

When you say you're a "political" conservative, what do you mean? Fiscal policy? "Small federal government, strong states rights" Republican? I consider myself almost conservative economically but still liberal politically, so I'm curious what your statement implies.

Date: 2005-06-07 04:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] imightbegaye.livejournal.com
I'm in favor of a small federal government with most of the legislative power being held by the states. I think the fed side should handle interstate commerce, national security, etc but that most things should be handled on a state and local level.

In terms of a party...I dunno, I'm registered libertarian, but I don't really agree too much with any of the major parties. When push comes to shove I tend to vote for moderate Democrats and Republicans.

While I agree to an extent with your comment on radical muslims and terrorism, I think (without doing the research) that right-wing extremists are still more of a threat in terms of violence being committed in the continental US. Aside from the 2 attacks on the World Trade Center, muslim violence in the US has been fairly minimal. On the other hand, we have WASPs kidnapping people, blowing up abortion clinics, etc.

I don't mean to understate the very real threat of Al Qaeda and other muslim terrorist groups, but I'm guessing it's more likely I'll die from being abducted/shot/etc by some ultra "conservative" who thinks he's doing God's work than from some mass islamic terrorist plot. I could be wrong. I do have to admit I have never had a muslim threaten me with violence due to sexual or social deviance.

Date: 2005-06-07 05:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beeporama.livejournal.com
I think what you say is very reasonable. I do hope you'll vote in 2006. We probably agree that there has been some pushing, and I can't wait to shove back at Santorum.

Pegritz, I bet you love it that I've turned your journal into a political forum.

Date: 2005-06-07 06:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oneirophrenia.livejournal.com
It's AWESOME! I love to encourage debate about all manner of things....If people are talking about stuff, it often means they're *thinking* about what they're saying--which is always a good thing--and if they're not, if they're just flapping their gums like idiots, then they have identified themselves as a moron and will be savagely attacked!

Date: 2005-06-07 06:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beeporama.livejournal.com
I don't claim to be better than an idiot, but having these discussions forces me to think more about my beliefs; hopefully resulting in more reasoned, rational positions.
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Date: 2005-06-07 05:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beeporama.livejournal.com
I spoke with little clarity. I agree with what you say; I meant more to agree with Derek's statement that no all Christians are crazy, pointing out that I wouldn't want all liberals painted as unrealistic hippies. A better anaology is the way that, as a vegetarian, I'm very embarrassed by half of what PETA does. Does that make more sense?

Rather than sending happy warm fuzzies, let's send the cold prickly fascists packing in '06 and '08. Will the alternatives be perfect?... probably not, but the need for balance and dissenting voices is strong.
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Date: 2005-06-07 06:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beeporama.livejournal.com
Sometimes I think humanity is so far gone that mild changes won't cut it. Fire off the nukes, cut down the trees, and give the roaches a chance at running the planet without causing each other endless misery and annihilating themselves.

Finding the balance between idealism and realism is a tightrope between fantasyland and nihilistic insanity. I do my best. But maybe it's better to get more practical as you get old grow up, and encourage starry-eyed idealism in the young; the tug-of-war of dissenting voices often leads to balance as well.

Now I'm babbling. Must be me getting old.

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